One of my favorite passages from the first book, the revenge of Robert Baratheon in the battle of the trident, and the fall of Rhaegar, heir to the Iron Throne and consequentialy, the fall of house Targaryen.
Always loved the description of the rubies falling in the river, naming it "Ruby ford".
Uppon reading the second book, i kinda feel sorry for Rhaegar. He aparently was a good man, not as strong as Robert unfortunately... No one got the girl in the end.
I don't know what's so sympethatic about him doe O.o Rheager I mean. His old man was crazy sure but after his death the throne would be his and Westeros could have avoided the rebellion. Still I hate him for his crimes and have no pity for him.
BTW Amazing picture the look on Rheagers face must have taken A LOT of time to get right.
If he managed to be a king...
If he killed Robert...
If he and Lyanna were truly in love...
If John Snow is his child...
And because he is a Targaryen. Apparently being from this family gives you immediate cool points.
Thank you for the compliments and yes, it was a pain to get this expression right. Ended up using a photo of my face as reference.
Turns out for getting a good realistic upside down face you need to pose upside down! All flesh and muscles shift when gravity pulls them to the up side of your head.
But i like the books not only because the stories and characters are complex and dynamic, but because they leave so much room for imagination!
We could imagine a world with Rhaegar as king and Daenerys as a princess.
Or a world where Bran doesn't fucking climb and see some incest action.
Or even a world where Robb Stark marry some Frey girl and continue the fucking war.
I mean, such an expanded universe with so many possibilities.
And i may agree with you, aparently when there was a unquestionable ruler, Westeros bled way less.
Only other quibble- Rhaegar looks like a vampire or an albino!
Awesome picture otherwise!
Hahaha! My bad!
I actually researched other pieces with the same scene and none of them (or at least the majority) dont feature the shield or even the crest of the family, so i whent freestyle.
I should have researched a little more and its is a grievous mistake indeed.
Maybe next time i will contact my friends who know the lore more than i do!
Oh, and the most of the fan-art portray the Targaryens very vampire-like... Rhaegar is not an exception, but i see that it may seem very bizarre.
Thanks for the compliment!
If game of thrones teaches anything, i think is toconsider all sides of a story and dont judge too quickly!
What you seem to forget when you say that Robert should have looked towards a more diplomatic solution is that Robert wasn't given even the beginnings of a choice. The Mad King called Robert and Eddard to his court, and given how the Mad King had killed Rickard Stark, roasting him alive, while his son strangled himself in desperation, well, it was extremely unlikely that the two youths would have gotten anything but a beheading. Remember that Jon Arryn then decided, on his own, to rebel, and it was a question of survival back then that Houses Baratheon and Stark join with House Arryn. I find it hard to believe you accuse Robert of going too far when he actually couldn't do anything else at that point. There was no 'diplomatic solution' that didn't involve death where the Mad King was involved by that point.
Aemon had taken the Black. He couldn't be King anymore, no matter what.
As for Rhaegar, tell me: didn't his taking Lyanna (by force of willingly, doesn't matter here) and disappearing with her cause Brandon Stark to go to the Red Keep, make a scene, which the Mad King followed with a series of gruesome killings and insane demands, which caused three major houses to rise in rebellion? It did all of this.
Rhaegar, took a woman away without saying what he was going to do with her, cheated on his own wife, recklessly started a situation which led to a continent-spanning war... and we're supposed to 'not judge him too quickly?'
Well... no. I think he deserved to get killed. Smashed down by Robert's warhammer. He doesn't deserve even the tiniest inkling of respect. He deserves only loathing.
That's how I judge him. Whether you agree or disagree changes nothing to that.
Look, you dont have to get all personal, what i was saying is that Rhaegar's actions would not start any war if his dad wasn't batshit insane. If Aerys where a good king, he would have jusged his son and send him to a prison or some punishment fit for a prince, or even try to negotiate with all the parties envolved.
I think your attachment to the characters is bluring a sense of justice. Nobody deserves to die (or start wars) because of incest (i am assuming that is not a FACT that he kidnaped her).
As for the argument that Robert, Jonh and Eddard had NO other options... Well, i see that they would have to prove themselves to their subordinates and avenge the blood spilled, but i think that by "diplomatic" approach i ment trying to unite all the kingdoms against the mad king, you know, blodless and cold war sometimes are more effective, or even conquer the south and leave him surrounded and with no ressources until the people rebel.
What i am saying is: Rhaegar was a tiny characterin a bigger chain of events, and blame him for the war is the same to blame the assassin of Franz Ferdinand for the World War 1. My painting is not demonstrating a favoritism to Rhaegar, is just giving the facts, he died. But personaly, everybody on the books recal him as being awesome (except for Robert).
And dont say that your oppinion cant change no matter what. Thats the root of ignorance, to listen only to yourself.
PS: And Aemon revealed on the second book (or first, i dont remember exactly) that the order decided to forget his judgements if he would agree to take the iron throne, but he kept his promisse and left the kingdom to his (clearly) insane brother. So i will count him as part responsible.
But his dad was insane, and it did start a war. The guy had no business just whisking a Stark who was bethrothed to a Baratheon without even saying anything to the Starks and Baratheons. Actually, that's the definition of a kidnapping. What DID Rhaegar think it would do? Did he think pissing off two Major Houses was smart? The man was an idiot at the very least. His idiocy directly led to a war.
He deserved to go.
Not everybody liked Rhaegar. Some, including Stannis and Eddard, found that he was reckless, irreponsible, and dishonorable. Given that Rhaegar, for good or ill reasons, kidnapped a bethrothed woman while MARRIED to another one, he was reckless, irresponsible, and dishonorable. Its certainly exaggerated to say 'everybody thought he was awesome except Robert'. I just reread the first book, and he was seen as a selfish man who was in the wrong.
As for Eddard and Robert uniting the other Houses? Those guys were 19 back then. They could call on their own bannermen and rallied their own House, but the Tyrells had plans of their own, the Greyjoys just wanted the other Houses to weaken each other, the Martels had filial reasons to remain loyal, and the Lannisters were... being Lannisters.
Your opinion isn't changing. Neither is mine.
Aemon was Aegon V's older brother, a man who ruled well for over 25 years. The Mad King is actually his grandnephew. By the time he truly was mad, Aemon was around 80.
Nobody DESERVES to die under any circunstances. Maybe he should be imprisoned, or pay some compensation for the Baratheons and the family of his bride... I dont know, but DIE? Or even worse, go to war?
I know the situation was set and everything pointed towards war: Mad king + tensions between families (including lannisters and Targuerians) + Rhaegar acting like a f*king Casanova = War and revenge.
But it shouldn't!
Anyway, i think you are taking it too personal and have your mind set to "i am right" in this discussion... So i will stop wasting my time here.
Have a good life.
I am also curious about Rhaegar, a great mistery hide in his tale...
I dont think it will matter on the final outcome, so he will probably leave it unaswered...
I am actually chearing for the White walkers right now...
As for the Others, yeah, kinda want more of them...
I hope the end will not disapoint, i am trying to favor no one after this 3 seasons... But gets hard to think that Arya could just die or grow up to be forgoten...
I think i am still on team Arya a little bit...
By the way i haven't read any of the books yet so i have to ask: Is Robert's Rebellion in the first book or does the first book start out like it does in the tv show?
Robert's rebellion events are mentioned throughout the book series, including this specific scene in the first one when Robert and Eddard are rememering facts from the old war.
The series is very true to the first book, but differences in the narratives begin to appear in the second and third seasons.
Thank you for the compliment!
When I read the book, I imagined the Battle of Trident something like that. Man, Rhaegar's face impression is just priceless.
In my internet search about Rhaegar for reference, i discovered that he is always pictured as a romantic prince model. Always with his silver harp, long silver hair looking to the horizon.
He is decribed as beautifull in the book, but this is game of thrones! George R Martin always but something gruesome on the way of idilic utopias. So, i thought that it would be fitting to make his last moments mach the tone of the series. Bloody and painfull.